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INTERVIEW WITH ANN Caveat: This is really long. Read only when you have time to spare! Interview conducted in 2001. At the end of each chapter of The Contemplative Mom was a section entitled, "Moms Speak Out." I interviewed real moms in various stages of parenting, capturing their thoughts on the topics presented in each chapter. I'd like to introduce one of those "Moms Speak Out" moms to you, Lisa Miller. She, in turn, is going to interview me for this web site. Lisa is the mother of two girls, ages 4 1/2 and 3, and is a quiet, contemplative personality (who happens to have received an embrace from Bono, but that's a story you'll have to ask her about). She's got a brilliant mind and ponders challenging issues. She also asks great questions and loves to write. So she's going to grill me, and you get to enjoy the transcript. Lisa: God has added another child to your family
since The Contemplative Mom was published. Your little boy has
joined a family of three sisters! How has life been different for you and
your family since little Daniel joined you? Do you find that your everyday life
suppressing? Inspiring? What does inspire your creativity? Um, anyway, I love doing fun, “planned” creative things, too. I just watched “The Straight Story” last night, and there’s an awesome scene when the main character describes a game he used to play with his kids. He’d give each one a stick and asked them if they could break it. Of course they could. Then he’d ask them to gather all the broken sticks together and make a bundle out of them. Then he’d ask them to try to break the bundle. Of course, they couldn’t. Then he told them, “That’s family.” Isn’t that an incredible, simple illustration? I’ve been thinking about it all day, wondering when I could have the kids do that for the first time and get that vision for the strength of sticking together as family. That’ll be a purposefully creative moment for us. I might do it when we’re camping or on a hike through the park this spring. As for creativity in writing, I have to say that the days themselves may hold a delightful interaction or event that I use later in some piece. But living it, well, sometimes I’m just hanging on by a thread, tired, worn out, beaten down like every other mom I know at any given moment. That’s when any interior, on-the-spot creativity is more contemplative in nature. That’s when I’m clinging to the Lord, interacting with Him and really walking with Him as I go about the day. Frankly, my creative efforts as a writer don’t usually happen during the day in the midst of motherhood. Instead, they occur late at night when the kids are asleep and my husband is rewiring a lamp or caulking the bathtub. Many moms are able to get refueled while their
kids are at school. In fact, many are delighted to watch their kids climb
the steps of the school bus. You’ve chosen to home school, which adds
another significant responsibility in your life. Can you explain how that
has changed life for you? You asked how home education has changed life for me. Well, I suppose a big change is that the logistics of teaching my kids has forced me to say no to a lot of things. I used to serve on a planning team at church, but I can’t attend at the time they meet. That’s been hard. I’ve grieved the loss of that intellectual and spiritual stimulation with those people I enjoy so much—and the satisfaction of serving. And I haven’t been able to attend women’s Bible study at church, which is a loss as well. Many moms feel isolated--not just homeschooling moms--and we all have to look for ways to stay connected with friends and mentors. How has your immediate family responded to your
work and success? As for the kids, well, it doesn’t affect their lives all that much. They get all of me during the day. I work at night, so they don’t even see me writing. The kids never think to mention to anyone that I wrote a book, so it must not be very impressive to them. Maybe if the book had been for kids it would have been a bigger deal. They’d be more impressed if I had a business making American Girl doll clothes to sell over the Internet. Knowing that you actually practice the
suggestions you offer in The Contemplative Mom, some other mothers
out there may wonder if you’re a real mom. Can you offer proof? Yep. You’re a real mom. Okay – one more. What’s
for dinner tonight? While a wife and homemaker, you’ve published a
book, home schooled, remained active in your church and continued to write.
What gives in your life? Is there anything in your life that at some point
gets overlooked or neglected? Getting back to TV, can you share what prompted
you to cut out watching the shows and how that impacted your life? Have you
noticed any changes in you since you decided to tube the tube, so to speak?
Some changes I’ve noticed in myself since I’ve—what did you say? “Tubed the tube”? That’s clever. Well, internally the changes have been dramatic. This is just my story based on my own personal convictions, so I don’t mean to suggest that everyone cut television from their lives. But this is what happened to me. Before, when I was watching a lot of TV, I had gotten desensitized, growing accustomed to violence, sexual scenes and innuendos, and morally questionable content. Now that I hardly watch any TV, I think some of that sensitivity returned. I think I pay more attention to discernment and red flags that the Holy Spirit may have been waving all along, even during the TV-addiction years, but I had ignored. Because now I just can’t believe what I see. It’s really shocking and offensive. The things we’re supposed to be applauding or laughing about on commercials and in every show make me cringe. And lately I’ve been measuring books, magazines, film and TV against whatever is true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable and so on. Frankly, there’s not much on television that can meet those requirements of what I’m supposed to be thinking about! Most shows are a waste, at best; spiritually destructive, at worst. The things I fill my mind with find their way into my conversations, my thought-life, and I assume eventually, my character and values. If I fill my mind with excellent thoughts then my conversations, thought-life, character and values may benefit from excellent input by producing excellent behavior, for example. If I fill my mind with the values and ideology and even theology of television producers, it will trickle down into everything in my life. It’s been a personal journey with dramatic changes, and I’m grateful and relieved that I’ve responded to what I feel God has told me to do, or not do; to watch and not watch. I realize now that I’d rather err in the direction of being a little “out of it” and get my news a few hours or even days later from the newspaper—and be entertained in a hundred other perfectly violence-and-smut-free ways—than to be awash in the other visual crud that accompanies the shows. Oh, golly, I know this is going to rankle a few folks. I hope you understand that I have plenty of other areas where I need to repent and obey! To illustrate, I have a couple of relationships where I’m being judgmental, negative and very small-hearted, and that’s far worse than watching a couple of bad television shows. Can you share about your family’s influence or
anything from your background that influenced your desires to write? Can you remember any pieces you wrote in
college that you remember well or are there any of which you were
particularly proud? How did you express your creativity as a child? Does imaginary play continue to be valued in your
home with your own children? You mentioned Playmobil earlier. Do you join in
with your kids’ scenarios? Share a scene with us. Ah, but Daniel’s young yet. Any chance you may
find yourself caught up in a showdown wearing war paint in the near future?
Any teachers/mentors who have encouraged you
along the way? We live in an incredibly prolific society. Do
you find it difficult to come up with original ideas? What inspires you from the art world,
performing, visual or otherwise? You’ve been known to pray for
musician/actor Sting. How in tune are you to pop culture? I’m usually about six months behind most big movie hits. I think I’m the only person in the country who hasn’t seen “My Big, Fat, Greek Wedding” yet, but it’s out on video so I’ll probably see it in the next week or so. I read news magazines and newspapers, so sometimes I’ll hear about the big names. I sneak a peak at People magazine when I’m at doctors’ offices. But pop culture doesn’t really inspire me. I think great literature inspires me the most. As for the visual arts, which is what you asked…well, I do really enjoy art museums. Last year we went to the Art Institute of Chicago to see a Van Gogh/Gauguin exhibit two times with all the kids. I just marveled at the texture. Because we have family in Europe, I’ve had the privilege of visiting the Orsay Museum and the Louvre in Paris where I get a little giddy. We were passing through this long, huge hall and I stopped and my hands were shaking and I said, “Look! These are da Vinci’s! This is ‘John the Baptist’! This is the St. Anne—I just saw this in a book before we left, and here it is!” The girls and Philippe politely looked, but didn’t share quite the shaky awe that I was experiencing, with my legs wobbling all Gumby-like. We gaped at some Michelangelo sculptures and Venus de Milo. I think I started to really appreciate and love art on our honeymoon, when we went to Rome and Florence. Michelangelo’s “David” may have been the start of an artistic love affair. To see an original by any famous artist makes my heart just leap with amazement and joy. To see in person, just a few feet away, some of the most famous works in the world…well, I stare, and sigh and wish-pray, “Oh, if only I could write like that person paints…” One time I was at Willow Creek Community Church for an arts conference, and they had some visiting musicians, Abraham Laboriel and Justo Almario. These two guys are famous studio musicians and the most joyful worshipers I have ever seen. Abraham played the bass actually leaping and playing at the same time. Justo played flute and saxophone with a kind of angelic glow about him. I think watching those two interact musically and relationally as they led us to celebrate our relationship with the Lord is one of the most joy-filled worship experiences I have ever had. At the same time, my eyes bugged out at their mastery of their instruments, and they gave all the glory to God. I worshiped with exuberance, and also with amazement and reverence that God made people who could give back to Him their gifts after developing themselves to their fullest potential. I could hardly breathe. I prayed with longing that I might be that excellent at something—anything!—for the Lord. Would it be motherhood? Could it be writing? Could it even be laundry, for heaven’s sake? Well, it’s definitely not turning out to be laundry, I can tell you that. I recently shrank my own pajamas. But maybe…maybe in some other place in life, I can joyfully devote my abilities and heart to the Lord in a way that would inspire others. I would love for it to be through writing, but I’ll be content if it is in motherhood. There is, after all, an “audience” of four in my charge who deserve their mother to develop herself to the fullest. Favorite books? Authors? Music? Movies? Books and authors: Pride and Prejudice, Wuthering Heights, The Divine Conspiracy, Anne of Green Gables, Little Women; most anything by Anne Lamott, Annie Dillard, Philip Yancey, Madeleine L’Engle, C.S. Lewis, Dallas Willard, John Ortberg, Garrison Keillor, Barbara Kingsolver, Eugene Peterson, Walter Wangerin. This is not an exhaustive list. More will come to me and I have a reading list on the site. Click here to visit Ann's "Reading List" Music and musicians: Sara Groves, Chris Rice, Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Sting ;), Bruce Cockburn, James Taylor, U2 (that’s for you, Lisa), Penny Rodriguez (that’s so maybe she’ll sell more albums, and I do totally love her style). Movies: “It’s a Wonderful Life,” (is that corny? I love that movie!) “Apollo 13,” “The Black Stallion,” “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” “National Velvet,” “Sense and Sensibility,” many of Kenneth Branaugh’s Shakespeare films. Um, the pressure’s on and I’m not coming up with many movies or musicians, but I’ll add some later. Friends have been known to tease you, comparing
your creative gifts with those of Mozart. You seemingly have the ability to
create ideas effortlessly. Can you describe what it’s like for you when
you’re “on,” when the ideas are flowing? Sometimes it’s after a very long dry spell of slamming words onto paper with no sense of inspiration. But that’s the key word: inspiration. I think there are moments that feel like I’ve taken a deep breath and been filled with something. I believe that as a Christian, I have experienced times when the Holy Spirit has given me the words I need for a project. I think Jesus loves the future readers so much He just lets the Spirit flow through sometimes, giving me moments when I feel sure that He’s part of it and making sure it’s what someone needs. What does it feel like? It feels…like a machine that’s properly lubricated, everything chugging along, all the cogs of the wheels turning at the right time. Maybe that’s not a very feminine illustration. It’s like driving and all the lights turn green just at the instant before you’d otherwise have to brake. It’s like you’re totally awake and not relying on caffeine, with peak sensitivity and an exhilaration you might feel when skiing. I don’t know. I can’t think of the right analogy. Plus, I’ve never been skiing. Peak sensitivity. Ann, you might just view
winter differently if you hit the slopes even once. How about sledding?
What is the most frustrating, challenging part
about writing for you? You’ve just mentioned that writing’s an act of
faith for you. Then publishing is a step farther. To what do you attribute
your confidence that enabled you to pursue getting published? Can you describe how your relationship with God
plays into your writing? Can you share any conversations you are likely to
be having with Him as you write? You asked about conversations I might have with the Lord as I write? Well, I remember sitting in the living room with nothing to say about one of the topics in my first book and pleading desperately with the Lord, “What do You want to say here, Lord? Please give me the words to say!” That’s one kind of conversation. In a word, I guess it would be “Help!” Also, I talk with Him about the future readers and my own life. There’s a certain deep satisfaction when I feel like I’m heading in the right direction with something. There’s a spoken or sometimes unspoken sigh, a smile, that we’re working together. It’s an enormous privilege to sense God’s pleasure, like Eric Liddell from “Chariots of Fire.” Sometimes, in a small way, I feel that I have experienced moments of God’s pleasure as I’ve written. Not everything and not every time. But here and there, it’s a bit of divine affirmation. Do you feel that you’ve been treated differently
since your book was published? How are you handling any criticism? What kind of tone are you most comfortable using
in your writing? Can you give us some insight into your writing
process? What do you do with that nagging voice that demands perfection as
you write? Or are you able to silence that voice somehow? It’s as if I have two minds, and Writer-mind is given permission to say anything and everything in whatever way she likes. Then later, after I feel I’ve got the meat of what I want to say somewhere in that sea of words, I go in with Editor-mind and start “fixing” things, making it clearer, less wordy, fix the misspellings and misplaced modifiers. Editor-mind lives with it and has a sudden flash that if I move one paragraph to the top and take out two others, it will flow better. So there are two major stages—writing, then editing. If the editing happens too early, my writing is much less meaningful. It’s all tight and prissy. In other words, I think the voice that demands perfection is Editor-voice, and there is a time when she is extremely helpful. She just has to take a little coffee break for a day or so while Writer-mind is free to work. Perfectionism isn’t all bad. Do you like reading books riddled with typos? I don’t, and I wish there were a little bit more of a perfectionist working on the editing of some books. But if Editor-voice the perfectionist keeps me from really writing in the first place, then you’re right, that’s bad. Get her a Starbucks and hand her some Mad Libs while you get busy on your first draft, and you’ll probably get some great stuff down before you start to second-guess yourself. What gives you the most joy or satisfaction as a
writer? Also, there’s great joy in feeling that I am doing what God made me to do. And to know that God used something I was faithful to write is humbling and powerful. I’ve heard some women tell me how God has used the book or other things I’ve worked on, and there is no greater satisfaction than that—to see God working, to see evidence of His Spirit. Wow. God doesn’t have to allow that. He could keep all the spiritual fruit of our work a secret. But sometimes He lets us experience the encouragement of knowing that He is pleased to use us. I love that. That could keep me writing for a lifetime. |
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